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By misslake (Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 06:03:07 PM EST) (all tags)
sometimes i feel like this town has no idea of it's history.

in 1795, fort edmonton was founded by the hudson's bay trading company.



the hudson's bay trading company was founded in 1670 with a royal charter from king charles the II. there is a large edifice in downtown edmonton that tells me so. it has the coat of arms of the hudson's bay and it's all carved rather impressively. i doubt that the building is more than 100 years old. i suspect it was built in edmonton's boom in the 40s after they found the oil.

in 1670, london was a large city. it had palaces and houses and shops and carriages and factories and everything. london was founded in 43. that's 2000 years ago.
a hundred or so years after the birth of the hudson's bay company, edmonton was a trading post where the blackfoot and cree would bring their furs for trade.
london was still bustling, full of people and horses and new kings and old and new buildings and old new factories.
i imagine edmonton as a ramshackle assortment of tents, teepees, wooden cabins and buffalo skins. coyote and hare, weasels and ravens.

megpye tells me while we are driving downtown the other day that the epcor (hydro - water and power) plant is built on a sacred site, a burial ground and that there is a vigil every summer for three days. the fires burn, the drummers drum and the dancers beat out the rhythm with their feet nonstop.

i wonder if that memory remained alive in the minds of the cree or blackfoot whose land it was. it was only 150 - 200 years ago. or was it lost, then relearned, resurrected. i wonder if anyone will have a link to the past that contained not a power plant and transformer station, but a graveyard. will there be some elder who recalls a grandparent saying there was a special burial place just over there -on the north river bank of the saskatchewan.
i wonder when the plant was built, probably in the last hundred years. was anyone there to remember that there was a burial there? or was the knowledge lost to the local cree and blackfoot, then rediscovered, exhumed by some historian or anthropologist.

when i was in europe this time last year, i marvelled at the houses in the streets of amsterdam. they often had the year they were built in the keystones above the doorways. this custom i recognized from special historical houses in ontario, some of which i remembered had stones reading in the early 1800s. how completely amazing and strange it was seeing dates in the 1400s not on special historical houses, but ordinary houses that people lived in.
before europe knew of north america, people were living ordinary lives there, just like the current tenants.
the locals could speak of those times, vividly if vaguely. the times of the dyke builders, the times of the pumping of water by windmill and gaining ground, creating the netherlands.
the old church in delft has been sinking back into the earth, it's been standing there since 1250, i am amazed that such a thing can exist in such clear living memory. they even say "has started to sink in over the years" casually as if it has been happening in the last 10 years and not over the last 300.

here 200 years is a vast distance in time, practically unknowable. more familiar seems the ancient geological stretches of time that saw the great beds of oil and coal and dinosaur bones laid down in the earth. this is the oil city. not the trading post city. where are the trails that the traders walked? can anyone point to the route that anthony henday walked in on? or do we only know the history of the new expressway named in his honour. what happened here before the oil boom? before the settlers? before the trading post? no one seems to know. even wiki has only one vague sentence of edmonton's history before 1795. it speaks in a geological time frame, of ancient ice fields retreating. what was here on the riverbank in 1795? a village? a settlement? hunting grounds? a portage? nothing?
the burial grounds? maybe that's the one. or are they the graves of the merchants and traders who were gathered here because of the hudson's bay people?
it is strange to think that this place is only 200 years old.

megpye promised me we'd go to the vigil this summer and add our feet to the dance. i'll ask them

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You live in a new world. by ammoniacal (4.00 / 1) #1 Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 06:24:16 PM EST
Revel in it.

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Well, I'd bet that by spacejack (4.00 / 4) #2 Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 06:28:29 PM EST
you are now one of the world's leading authorities on the history of Edmonton. You could study the history of London for the next 50 years and still be a rank amateur.



+1fp, contains misslake (nt) by Driusan (4.00 / 4) #3 Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 06:46:01 PM EST

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I wise man once told me by Gedvondur (4.00 / 2) #4 Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 07:41:56 PM EST
That in Europe and the UK a hundred miles (or kilometers if you must) is a long way.

He also said that in the New World, a hundred years is a long time.

I think that in the history of places, you and I are of like mind.  I need to know the history of where I am.  I researched the land my house is built on, the buildings I used to work in.  While I can't say that any of that turned up anything amazing it certainly gave me the sense of the "place" that I am in. 

I am always slightly appalled when people know nothing of history and really don't about it.  The past is where we flow from, it shapes us and influences us in ways we can only dimly perceive. (And no, I'm not confusing history with The Force.)

I would imagine that there is a historical society in your area.  You should look them up, perhaps attend a meeting.

http://www.historicedmonton.ca/

Heh, good luck with your searching.

Gedvondur
"It is virtually impossible to effectively aim a jellyfish, a creature created by God almost solely for the purpose of not flying."- CRwM


hey, just checking by LilFlightTest (2.00 / 0) #5 Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 07:56:54 PM EST
did you get our card?
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if de-virgination results in me being able to birth hammerhead sharks, SIGN ME UP!!! --misslake


er.... nope. by misslake (2.00 / 0) #9 Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 12:15:55 PM EST
but getting  mail at the desert castle is extremely delayed.
we have forwards on our mail from the old place, and i have a forward on my mail from the shawshack, so that adds an extra few days to it. and there isn't yet any postal service to our nest of condos.
the mail builds up at the main postal station, and then gets arbitrarily redirected to a "nearby" postal outlet once a week. we take turns calling canada post and finding out where our next mail pick up is.

did it get sent to 33rd ave or 112th street?
i'll watch for it!


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what about mine? by komet (2.00 / 0) #10 Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 05:05:53 PM EST
did you get the letter I sent you? I sent it to 33rd ave.

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112th, i think by LilFlightTest (2.00 / 0) #11 Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 06:45:21 PM EST
whichever is the old one.
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if de-virgination results in me being able to birth hammerhead sharks, SIGN ME UP!!! --misslake
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I do this too by R343L (2.00 / 0) #6 Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 08:26:50 PM EST
But for very specific towns. Like when I moved to Mill Valley, I bought a slim history of Mill Valley (published by the historical society). Turns out Mill Valley as a town has always been a rich suburb of San Francisco -- in the early 1900s, banker and professional types would take a trolley to the ferry and then to the SF financial district. Before it was a town, it was a logging village and before that it was ranching and before that the Miwoks lived there.

I'm planning to borrow the local history of Potrero Hill soon (obviously I know a fair bit about California and San Francisco history already). Should be interesting -- it also was a ranching area (the Spanish were just ridiculously grand with their land grants).

Rachael

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If I recall from what I learnt largely in school, by Phil Urich (2.00 / 0) #7 Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 10:42:08 AM EST
there wasn't much of note around Edmonton before it became a trading post, largely because it's an entirely arbitrary point in the river, at least as far as anyone would have figured before HBC folks in Calgary thought "hmm, we need another post" and headed due north until they hit the North Saskatchewan (was it called that at the time?  I don't know.  Funny to think some times that we speak of the past so often with labels that would be utterly foreign to the people of the time).

Yes, Edmonton is a place largely unconcerned with the past; since "civilized" peoples are so new to this place (and even the prior cultures were spread rather thin, not really inhabiting the space in the way our sprawling suburbs do now) I think for much of its history, and even to this day, any space not built upon is thought of as a blank slate.  It isn't anywhere or anything until we've plunked down a shopping mall.  In that kind of context, people don't tend to get an appetite for history, and even a hundred years back is murkily ancient when one is entirely disinterested. 

Which makes me think of a kind of . . . well, it's a bit of a pointless story, but I feel compelled to write it here.  I dunno, your diary has me thinking of things, a lot of what you've said is much of what I think about Edmonton when I stop taking the local reality for granted, but as the years go by I think I do so less and less because if I ever try to bring it up anyone native to Edmonton gets a confused look on their face, followed by their eyes glazing over.  Anyways, here goes:

When I was in Junior High my mother and some others in our community suddenly became very interested in the past of Parkallen, and they formed a quasi-official society about it.  They had a gathering I was dragged along to where, on display, were some maps they had acquired photocopies of, sketches by some of the original surveyors of the area which had been kept in archives at the Municipal Hall, likely ignored until now.  Much of the talk was about the lakes, since our community and the community directly to the north had both, until they were drained, been entirely under water (which also explains the unEdmontonlike slight sloping of the communities; it isn't perfectly flat but it also isn't by the river valley? how novel!).  These lakes, being the main source of history and still mundanely important from day to day as it mattered sometimes (for example, when there'd be a torrential rainfall and the centre of the community would seem to yearn to become a lake again) were actually often discussed or mentioned in small talk and idle chit-chat.

I noticed that faintly, although once you saw it the markings were quite unmistakable, that there was a third lake off to the east.  As far as I could tell it covered out to about where Barry T's then was, which was a club in the building which had formerly been a train station (now it's "Bar Wild" or something like that, yet another country-themed club). 

I pointed this out to the adults and they all became relatively excited; it occurred to me at the time that I may have literally rediscovered a lake, because while the other two lakes were drained and filled to become residential communities, and thus their existence was vaguely passed down in lore, but Third Lake (that seemed to be the name messily and lightly written on the map) predominately fell on a commercial strip and overlapped only onto the edges of communities; furthermore, those communities didn't really have the same kinds of Community Leagues and central parks and such that Parkallen and McKernan have, so when one family moved out I'm sure they'd take their knowledge with them.  Every day people drive down off of 109th Street and off onto Argyle Road, and perhaps the only person who thinks to themselves "I'm driving where a lake used to be" is me. 

And most of the time I forget it.



Slight correction, by Phil Urich (4.00 / 1) #8 Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 10:48:45 AM EST
It just occurred to me, when I saw my (good god it's too big, why did I write so much nonsense?) post actually posted and noticed my first line again, that it was actually the North West Trading Company or whosits that originally did the "lets go north from Calgary, see what happens" trick; my vague memory had thought something then about the HBC taking over their trading post, but a quick Wikipedia check reminds me that it was just that the HBC set up shop closeby their competitors, just on the other side of the river.

Strange to think that the river used to be such a hard-set boundary.  After all, Edmonton and Strathcona were even entirely different cities, that river dividing them in a substantial way that nowadays, with all those bridges, seems hard to quite wrap my head around.

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